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August 21, 2025
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On this special episode of The Digital Patient, Josh recaps his recent trip to the AMDIS conference in Ojai, California. Josh shares highlights from his patient engagement panel, thought-provoking sessions on AI governance, and candid hallway conversations with CMIOs from across the country. From fireside chats with Oracle Health to literature reviews on hype ratios—and a chaotic Uber saga—this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at one of the most authentic gatherings in digital health. Click the play button to listen or read the show notes below.
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Guest(s):
- Dr. Joshua Liu (@joshuapliu), Co-founder & CEO at SeamlessMD
Episode 184 - Show Notes:
[00:00:24] What is AMDIS?
[00:02:59] The Ojai Experience
[00:04:27] How AMDIS Differs from Other Conferences
[00:07:08] Patient Engagement Panel Highlights
[00:08:38] Precision Patient Engagement (shoutout Dr. Amy Sitipati)
[00:09:34] Digital Screening and Consistency (shoutout Dr. Dave Martin)
[00:11:09] Josh’s Soapbox: The Messy Middle
[00:13:37] What really drives patient adoption with patient engagement tools
[00:17:18] AMDIS: Where everyone is treated as a peer
[00:20:15] Will Oracle Cerner ever be free? A fireside chat with Oracle Health (shoutout Dr. David Feinberg)
[00:22:37] Cerner vs. Epic Showdown
[00:26:16] The Real Risk of AI Hesitation (shoutout Dr. Anthony Chang)
[00:29:14] AI Model Drift & Governance
[00:30:22] AI Governance is Work (shoutout Dr. Howard Landa)
[00:32:24] Redefining the Gold Standard (shoutout Dr. Keith Morse)
[00:34:13] "Mini RCTs" in the EHR (shoutout Dr. Eric Cheng)
[00:36:11] Literature Review & The Hype Ratio (shoutout Dr. Bill Galanter)
[00:38:21] Research Obsolescence with AI (shoutout Dr. Colin Banas)
[00:44:10] An uberless exit: Josh's chaotic escape from Ojai
The Digital Patient has been recognized as Feedspot's #1 Patient Engagement Podcast of 2025. Thank you to our listeners for making this happen!
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