TDP 191: Kettering Health’s CMIO Dr. Albert Bonnema: Combining EHR, genomics, and AI for breakthroughs in precision medicine, risks of AI use in medical education, and Barriers to making personalized medicine standard

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On this episode of The Digital Patient, Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO of SeamlessMD, and colleague, Alan Sardana, chat with Dr. Albert Bonnema, CMIO at Kettering Health, about "Combining EHR, genomics, and AI for breakthroughs in precision medicine, Risks of AI use in medical education, Barriers to making personalized medicine standard, and more..." Click the play button to listen or read the show notes below.
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Audio:

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Guest(s):

• Dr. Albert Bonnema, Chief Medical Information Officer at Kettering Health
• Dr. Joshua Liu, Co-founder & CEO at SeamlessMD

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‍Episode 191 - Show Notes:

[00:00:07] Episode preview

[00:05:55] Shifting from pre-med to teaching before reentering medicine

[00:08:54] Early military informatics;

[00:10:02] How Dr. Bonnema used mumps data to drive preventive medicine and readiness;

[00:11:18] Building one of the earliest immunization registries and airman registries;

[00:13:19] Military mission focus on prevention vs. civilian incentives;

[00:17:01] Lessons from early AI and genomics research;

[00:19:02] Combining EHR, genomic, and imaging data for breakthroughs;

[00:21:03] Discovering genetic markers for preventative conditions;

[00:24:55] Barriers to making personalized medicine standard;

[00:29:33] The role of policy in prevention;

[00:32:42] Concerns about AI use in training and resident education;

[00:37:57] Why foundational clinical knowledge matters in the age of AI;

[00:41:11] On AI hype and innovation cycles;

[00:42:52] Rethinking the purpose of the medical note with AI;

[00:45:58] Vision for AI nudges in real time;

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Fast 5 Lightning Round:

1. What is your favorite book or book you’ve gifted the most?
   "My favorite fiction writer is Joel Rosenberg… The book I gifted the most was John Maxwell's 21 Laws of Leadership, and the book I found the most applicable was Tribal Leadership by Dave Logan."
2. If you could instantly master any skill, what would it be?
   “Learning how to write would be great… and/or learning to play piano.”
3. Would you rather have Super strength, super speed, or the ability to read people’s minds?
   “Super speed to try to keep up with my grandson… But also mind reading to help as an executive.”
4. What is something in healthcare you believe that others might find insane?
   “RAF scores and HCCs related to value-based care... There’s nothing value about that.”
5. What is the last movie or TV show you saw?
   "How to Train Your Dragon. It was great!”

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